Thanks for the posts guys. Lets see if I can answer questions/comments one at a time.
Matt,
As I mentioned in the post just prior to yours, I was not trying to propose that the pattern/suit in question was superior to anything. I mentioned the "2-D effect" due to the lack of their actually being a person inside. As I said in my original post I will leave the judgement up to each and every one of you. However, I do find it interesting that you were pretty much the only one who found the pattern to be easily identified.
As for it being up against a tree....two comments. One, I had to "hang it" from something as the frame I made was designed in that fashion. The second pic does give you some idea since it is not entirely against the tree trunk. It does stand out a bit as a dark pattern and yet is similar enough in color and texture, in my opinion to blend in with the tree trunks next to it. Two, I don't know about you but it was always my understanding that a hunter should stand with their back against a tree so that they are not silhouetted and also, to a lesser extent, to hide movement from anything which may be behind the hunter.
You can fight it all you want Franklin ........the "Open" patterns are just superior at destroying the human outline and form which is "A" #1 to an animal in terms of danger.
Now ya see, I do not entirely disagree with that point Matt. But, one, that is your opinion and yet it does not really sound like that when I read it....and, two, it has always been my understanding that some camos work better by "breaking up" and some work by "blending in".
Go back and look at the picture of Davidmil on the ground.....even as clear and close as those pictures are you have a hard time drawing his outline against NOTHING behind him.
I have to be honest with you. As I look at David on the ground he does stand out considerably in my opinion. I can pick out his outline quite well because there are
too many open/light spots in that pattern compared against the background behind him. Up in that tree is an entirely different story. He blends in quite well.
I guess I'm going to have to follow through on my treestand comparison shortly. I hope I can climb , I think I have a ruptured or herniated disc in my back?!
Cool. I love these types of comparisons.
Awsome, PA! Now if only we could get a few others do do the same thing with several other camo patterns we could compile them into one large article and post it on the site for everyone to see.
Wouldn't that be nice?
Washington Hunter...I think Matt just gave you your wish.
Awesome pics! I think all leafy suits work much better than regular camo outfits. I was going to get some ASAT pics this weekend but my mom took the digital for the weekend.
I would love to see them and agree with you totally. The leafy outfits blend in much better than just a flat pattern.
Brian,
Frank great pictures and nice camo.
Matt. What do you mean by OPEN camo? FOrgive my ignorance but not sure what you are describing. What pictures are you talking about with David Mill? Can you post them so we can compare? Thanks
There is a thread on this forum from a few days ago where Davidmil and Len posted some pics of both an ASAT leafy suit and a flat mossy oak breakup outfit against some various backgrounds. It should only be a few pages back.
Nice pics Frank. My favorite "once-in-the-tree" camo was Treebark a long time ago, but I love the "open" camo designs much better for walking to and from stands and ground hunting. Predator, ASAT, and the Cabela's Outfitter series(one of them) is my 2004 choice. I sure do like that leafy look though.
Coug,
I agree with that totally. Out in the open I am sure that open patterns do work much better by the nature of the design. I also agree that against a tree or thick brush then the more common patterns also do work well.
Fred,
This is just a mesh/leafy cut-out suit that Cabelas sells. There is no insulation but rather just a mesh material underneath. It is 100% polyester so it should not fade as badly as cotton would provided you take precautions.