think i found out what the problem was, dirty brass, took my shells and a bottle of brass polish, as i do not have a toumbler YET, man what a pain in the you know what polishing by hand,but any how all polished cases went through die with no problems, did have to make myself a puller though, worked just fine, also made a stand for my powder measure, turned ouy sweet, all alum. not bad if i do say so myself think i could put them on ebay, but thats half the the enjoyment making things, not aproblem as i be a tool-n-die maker hey thanks for all the input im sure ill have more things come up as i go along, yall ben great