I appreciate the reply BuckoDuck. I might have to try one of those chokes. I would be curious if you have tried the Winchester Supreme XX Turkey loads in the black box. I can buy them for around $8 a box and they shoot just as well as the Hevishot loads. Of course these are only 3" loads so I'm down some pellets comparred to you. I've also shot the Federal (a couple years ago) as well as some from Kent and neither of those would pattern worth crap for me. Since the Winchesters do pretty well and are priced right I'll stick with them. Killed all 3 of the turkeys I've shot with them so I can't complain about them at all.