Sorry steve, that's how it goes. I had my eye on a Win autoloader, and then decided that maybe I wanted an O/U instead, and still haven't bought one or the other. If all you want is a functional but inexspensive gun look at the Mossberg 500/835, or Win 1300. Both are good working guns. I know that you can get the Moss 835 in camo for turkeys. I have a 500 that has served me well, but its nothing fancy either. Good luck.