Yea, the shoulder hits with a bow have to be withen 20. Plus, all of us are shootin 70 pounds with cut up front broadheads, so were not at a lack of penetration. 10-15 a year is a lot of pigs. I want to start huntin them alot more. I only get to go a couple times a year, but i think ive come across a couple good spots that i want to try.