Thanks for the responces. Reason I ask, is my exfather in law was haveing this discussion. Number one, I really don't like the guy for obvious reasons. Number two, the guy brings home more game than the guys, I see that take patterning and all very seriously. These are the same buddies of mine that nit picks every aspect of reloading as I do. But the old crabby ex father in law, still beats us every time with out of date equipment, cheap junk ammo, and 20 dollar scopes. I competed with the guy for over a decade and finally threw in the towel trying. I pick out my bullet selection so carefully. Wiegh every load so carefully. He goes in the local gas station in WV, and asks what ammo is cheapest. Comes out of the woods with a 11 point.

Just not fair. But I bet I have alot more fun playing with my new toys, than his crabby, miserable life. I know all time I spend messing with my long range shooting, reloading, playing with every new bow that comes out (and now patterning) makes a very minscule difference. But I sure do have fun.