Ok Mike, thanks for the reply! (come on Pat, what's the skinny?)

Jsacker, he doesn't use a loop. I recomended it too him for comfort to see if it would help any but he was told by a really good shooter that they impart to much variable in anchoring. Sooooo he doesn't go there now. I don't know?

Just an update.....we shot indoor tonight and my score jumped to 335 from the norm of 420s....I love the Liberty! Also I now use back tention(about a week) and the bow fits better ie; 27" draw, my Extreme was a 28" backed down. I was pulling 70lbs tonight and it felt like the 02 extreme set at 63!