those stars are what i use! the very first day i got my bow we were rock chuck huntin with judo pionts and them stars and anyway i shot the biggest porkypine wiith a judo point. let me tell ya that is not smart, i was only pulling 40 lbs. and it stuck ing him only 2 inches. it killed him but very scary getting the judo point out! my dad said that if i was using a star then it might of gone throw him! but any way have fun!!