ok. right at about where the 2 sharp turns in the creek is where i am almost positive they bed down. about 60 yards to the left is scrapes and rubs where the trails intersect. it is flat and very clear. also do u no if it is legal to plant some kind of mixture by ur stand like an antler growth or something similar? i also have 2 build one permanent stand since i only have one hang on. how big do u think i should make the permanent stand?