I have had 3 in my 15 years bowhunting. I dont pay a cent for a guide service or land to hunt. I have only taken 2 of them one never offered a shot. They were both 150 class deer and ironicly (sp?) they were the last 2 years 2002 and 2003. In case none of you saw the pic in the deer hunting section. I have to share this Rack. I know alot of you appreciate character and this guy has it! He was a old boy on his way down. Took him at 5 yards.