I found out one more thing today. The one that Walmart handles is a Walmart exclusive and the model numbers don't jive with any other Winchester Model numbers. Scheels has the short mag with no scope for 429.00. What I can't find out is if they are now stocking the 2004 models at Scheels or still selling last years model. If so I don't know how new the crf is. I quess I will try one and if I don't like it I will swap it in. I like what I have been reading about the 270 WSM for long range shooting. That for me would max out at about 350 yards.