blackliner, See I understand where both of you are coming from but as stated that was at a previous address not the one I am at now. I won't explain what happened in each case here as it would make for a long story. But nobody wants to have a pet killed by vehicles or other such incidents as being stolen. We loved our dog's even though they were outside only dogs. I'm pretty sure it was a chain of events that the center denied my claim but that's fine and dandy with me. I don't think a breeder would deny my money!