Jeff as I said in my earlier post the bow came in at 71 lbs not 65. I bought a heavy 60 last year that came in at 64# and did not have overly twisted cables. The dealer is calling bowtech today to ask about it. I like for the bows I shoot to be bottemed out on the limbs and there is no way I can shoot this one bottomed out. One thing I can say is they seem to have gotton their draw lengths right this year last years 27" module pro 40 dually was mor like 27 3/4" and this one is deffinatly shorter haven't had a chance to actually measure it yet but will today. I do love the new grip for 2004 it is much better than last years. My biggest grip it the split harnnes with so many twist to me it shows that whoever put it together didn't want to take it off and try a shorter one so they just twisted the crap out of it to get it right.