while i can't answer the polar vs. griz question, as far as most people i know are concerned regarding blacks, to all the guys in P.A., sorry, but if it ain't gutted when you weigh it in, it don't mean s@$%^!!! gut them, then weigh the bear and let us know what they weigh. that sounds just like southern deer weighing in over 200 lbs. sure they do, because it isn't dressed weight like the rest of the world counts! "shoulda seen the 400 lb deer shot last year". if you have a place to weigh them in, then you should be weighing them in after removeing everything! sorry, just gets me mad every time i read something like that. live weights don't mean anything.