WOW,Adrian I finally found somethin we disagree on.I've had luck usin a whine followed by yelpin,runnin it all into one call,Also the Dew-Wit call.I don't use them all the time but have actually gotten answers when nothin else was workin.After that initial gobble the birds seemed to become workable.Like any other type of callin these don't always work but I have had them work on occasion.