Arthur P, Thanks for the input. After the big tournaments this year I'll give er a try. I started to chuckle when you you talked about the one finger release. I was experimenting in the house when a misshap occured. Luckily I got the hole in the wall fixed before the misses got home. I shot for years without sights and took several whitetails when I lived back east. Had a couple of marginal shots also, I don't like to shoot unless I am 100 percent sure that I will get it. Thats what got me using sights. I didn't have the time to dedicate myself to hours on the range due to family, kids etc. I do now(thats another story) now I spend 4-5 nights a week at the range. I do know that a guy can get proficient without sights because I was there at one time, but that is exactly what it takes is time to become proficient and stay proficient. Thanks for answereing back. I like to stay open to all sides of archery. After all, the sport belongs to us.....