Just curious what people were actually shooting with the Patriot and Extreme VFTs. All the ID tags that I saw the other day were about 10fps slower than the advertised speeds. I did see a post awhile ago for the 2004 Bowtechs, and there was some numbers kicked around for different weights, but I couldn't tell whether they were actual numbers or calculated numbers.

What I'm curious to know is:
1) How fast does the Patriot and Extreme shoot a 400 +/- grain arrow with a 29" draw fully set-up and ready to hunt...over a chronograph; not some calculated figure.
2) Are the weights that are given on the spec sheets with or without the hush kit installed? Anyone have a weight for a Patriot with a two piece quiver installed?

I just want some real numbers to kick around so I can figure out what my next bow is going to be.

Thanks in advance