ArthurP- True you have a point. I tried to take off the training wheels and have alot of respect for the stick bow die hards. It takes alot of arrows to get good with one. But when you do it opens alot of doors. If I were good enough I feel that they would be the best for elk in close. Right now I pull back and hold til I am blue in the face on bulls because it takes a little too long to sight in on a bull at 10 yards. I always get a kick out of the responses on this forum.......................................Drea min' of willows and wallows