I agree with you there KBacon we are losing acres and acres of woods to development. And the ones buying those wooded lots so that they can live in the woods are the ones screaming for higher and higher bag limits because thier expensive plants are being eaten by deer. And loss of habitat is going to mean less deer in the long run. Here in the farm fields where there are still some wooded areas, because it isn't farmable due to low ground and streams; you still see 10-20 deer in the fields at dusk. But I do not believe that it will stay that way forever. There is much more hunting pressure now than there was back when I started hunting deer in the early 70's. More than likely due to the fact that there is less wooded area to hunt in now as to then. I know that I have lost several great hunting areas in the last 5 years, mostly to companies that bought the land and then shut down hunting in them.