I have a friend that hunts on a public game refuge.He also gets to his spot at 3:00 am.He has asked us to meet him at the refuge,so that we could control the pond he hunts on.None of the guys I hunt with like to rub elbows with other hunters.We will take a bad spot on the river and try to make it work for us.Maybe thats why the birds we get to shoot at come in so late.We have had more action between 9:30 and noon then my son inlaw ,who gets to his spot before daylight an is done hunting by 9:30am.Most of us are in our late fiftys or early sixtys,and have always been up before daylight to get to work.This is are first year of hunting ducks.I sure wished I would of had the money to have tried this sport out twenty years ago.