Thanks Skeeter for correcting me regarding mimimum score for non-typicals. Looks like this one doesn't even qualify for B&C. You know the same bunch of people that are getting on my case here also took issue with the fact that I said that Zaft would not be the next P&Y typical due to the fact that the G3 will be scored as an abnormal point. Well these people came along, putting me down, called me names and did basically what you're seeing here. And guess what. they were wrong abut that too. I love it. Skeeter calling something a record because it has velvet on it does not occur. The rack is merely listed within the category to which it belongs according to it's score. You have to remember one thing here. Every deers antlers have velvet on them at one point in time. Because you harvest one that has it still means you have to give it special consideration? P & Y sure as heck doesn't. Neither should we. It's just another nice non-typical amonst thousands..only diff is this one has the velvet on it. There's been tens (10's)of deer shot this year alone that score better than that one. The score is 194...velvet or no velvet, its not a record.