txbow,I hear the Haydels are pretty good but there are none in my area.I ordered a couple calls from Winglok, the vari-tone double reed duck and the delrin goose, I'll see how they sound,I've been hearing great comments about Winglok. I looked into T.R.'s forum and found some useful info, but nothing pertaining to what to volcalize into the calls to get the results of clucks, feeding murmursetc., which is what I'm looking for.