Javlja I agree with ya, its just that a whole bunch of guys have'nt been qiute as fortunate to hunt turks as long as yourself.And I certainly appreciate your attitude in understanding this in not getting bent out of shape over a comment or two.Range is really what were talking about here relative to having enough downrange energy to sufficiently kill a gobbler.Certainly Javlja isn't telling all to make a habit of shootin 7.5's but knowing your effective limit is whats most important.I for one really disagree with where our market is heading with scopes,choke constrictions,and turkey loads.They continue and sell there products on being able to hold tighter patterns at longer distances.I agree with Jim here enjoy the show of being able to fool a longbeard into easy gun range instead of how far your shotgun can reach out and kill one.I've said it before and i'll say it again,if they continue to improve on shotshell loads,and chokes,than our scatter guns might as well be rifles.And I know an awful lot of turkey hunters think thats unethical!