I remember when I owned an Ithaca Mag-10 and started reloading for it. Saved me a bunch of money. One year I decided I was going to use it for doves to practice for the upcoming waterfowl season (Yea a bit of overkill) . I loaded a few boxes with #8 shot. The first time I shot them I had to laugh. All those little #8 pellets looked like a swarm of gnats heading for the doves at Mach 1 !. On a direct hit there wasn't too much left of the doves unless they were out about 50 or 60 yards. I decided it was a waste of a good eating bird and stopped doing it.