Remingtom 870 Express, Express Mag, or Wingmaster all of them are great great great waterfowl guns. Especially for starting out I wouldn'teven look at anythign else. I shot an 870 express mag. for about 10 years and just retired it from waterfowl hunting for a benelli M1 super 90. I still use it for deer hunting or if someone I'm taking out duck or goosin doesn't have one I let them use it. They are just great all around guns.