sorry guys, have to disagree with you all. around here, if you want a real monster, head to maine. talked with my friend who guides up there, he only had a couple of small ones to report at his store this year, the biggest one only had a twenty inch spread, and just topped 233, dressed. and he was disappointed in seeing that one. one got brought to northern vermont to show off from maine, the bruiser had 14 points, and weighed, dressed, 270lbs! and that was after having traveled from maine for who know's how long!