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Old 09-20-2018 | 10:53 AM
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Originally Posted by hardcastonly
most of us have read through dozens of threads concerning the best rifle, cartridge or bullet selection, most people try to promote or defend their personal favorite's
few people stop to look at things from the view point of using ballistics and related math or bother to think through realistically the ranges the effect on game, their choices will have.
most people fail to realize that most game is not that hard to kill given good shot placement and a knowledge of the games anatomy, nor do they consider the fact that far more game,
is killed at well under 250 yards than at greater ranges.
theres not a game animal in north America that a 270 win or a 30/06 won,t kill with a single well placed shot, if a fairly heavy well designed bullet is used by a rifleman familiar with the games anatomy.
that does not necessarily suggest they are ideal, universal choices, simply because their effective use is dependent on getting the ideal or close to ideal shot angles to allow the vitals to be penetrated and destroyed.
those of us with extensive experience generally tend to have seen enough game shot to appreciate the fact that heavier for bore size projectiles do tend to penetrate deeper.
theres not a deer or elk on the planet that could survive a well placed shot from a 165-210 grain 30 caliber bullet from a 300 mag from a broad side , heart/lung impact.
but if your only shots a raking angle through a ham, through the gut and into the heart/lung, vitals its going to require extremely good penetration, and increased inertial mass, and a thick jacket allow that.
theres a good reason many country's suggest a minimum caliber for large game, larger bore mandate more massive projectiles, and the increased mass and resulting retained inertia energy insure a bit more penetration, on impact.
most hunters are not as good of shots as they imagine themselves to be under field conditions. you can make a good deal of money betting the average guy can,t hit a coke can at 150 yards on his first shot,
shooting off hand or even sitting, and theres no bench rests in the field ,, those tight 1" 100 yard groups shot from a bench rest are meaningless ,now add a shot of Adrenalin, when that hunter has seen an exceptional trophy, and hes breathing hard from walking over rolling terrain , and its a damn near sure bet, he won,t hit within 3 inches of his intended point of impact. Given the true conditions, and you have no control over the shot angle, and that game will tend to run away from a threat,leaving you with a less than ideal shot angle, it's frequently an advantage to select a slightly heavier 180 grain-210 grain projectile weight in a 300 mag

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I agree with most of what you say, but the bench is a good place to figure out which bullet or brand works best. And it is good training for the basics. Squeeze the trigger, control your breathing etc. How many rounds you practice with doesn't mean much if you are sloppy, you have to gain good shooting habits until they are automatic. While hunting, the vast majority of the time, the first shot is the only one that counts.

Good shooting is basically consistency. Sure field shooting is going to be different/harder than a bench, but the fewer variables the better. Good bench shooting habits carries over into the field.

Being a good shooter and being a good hunter are two different things. Being both increases your chances.

Basically if you can't do it on the bench at a hundred or two hundred yards, it is doubtful you'll have much success in the field. And hitting anything well over three hundred, is likely to be more luck than skill unless you practice a lot.

I spend maybe 3-4 times the time and energy tracking other peoples screw ups, than I do with my own hunting. A lot of hunters out there that are marginal shots and/or they take too many iffy shots.

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