billygoat, I'll throw another one into the mix for you- Hoyt Pro-Tec, 38" ATA with XT2000 limbs and versacam, only 1oz heavier than an Ultra-Tec but has a 8.25" brace height and still 292fps only 8fps slower than Ultra-Tec but 1.25" taller brace height! HaHa one more for you to think about!