Tomster I didn' t see the thread you are talking about, but my hat is off to you, it takes a big man to say they were wrong. I hunt bow, rifle, blackpowder and shotgun, but I can honestly say that since picking up a bow I have really improved my shot selection when gun hunting. I am really anal about bow shot selection, I have let plenty walk due to shot angle or distance. You are welcome to my hunting camp any time.