Yup - the 6.5 Creed really just replicated performance which had been possible with a dozen rounds for many years.

The 6 creed AND it's accompanying fast twist factory models is something different. The other players in its class mostly have twists too slow to shoot the heavies, or require a custom barrel.

After a few drinks the other night while a buddy was exalting to me the 6.5creed, it struck me as to why so few of us really care for the 6.5 Creed... It's a lot like playing with yourself - those of us who like to actually kill game at long ranges know the limitations of such a light pill at such moderate speeds, and we're really ok with buying new barrels to give us enough power to ethically take game at those ranges. The 6.5 creed was built for a specific purpose, and it's now serving to raise up a new generation of "long range shooters" who love it for its low cost and low recoil - unfortunately, when they actually need to put their stick to use at long range, the 6.5 creed comes up short. Great round for practicing, but doesn't really deliver once you're playing for keeps on anything larger than varmints.