Oldtimr - again as I said before thank you very much for your post. I appreciate your honesty I never said I didn't. I believe you could have made your point without making unnecessary comments or accusing me of being someone I am not from the get go. I noticed you are not from AZ and maybe you have never hunted here but it is way different than hunting back east. So something that you may think is ridiculous may not be for us who hunt AZ coues. This is probably the rudest forum I have ever been part of. Maybe that's the way you talk to people back east but that's not how we talk to people here. I appreciate your time and input on my post. Thanks again and have a great day.