Cal, I have the Herter's bench from Cabelas that is in the op under "you may also like" beneath the one for $179.00. It is shown for $169.00 but I paid less than that on sale. I like it because it is stable, the seat distance from the table is adjustable and it fold flat so I can hang it on my garage wall without taking up a lot of space. The only thing I don't like about it or I would change is the way it opens and closes, it is a bit of a pain, but not enough so I regret buying it.