Talked to one guy at Knight and his didn't shoot any better then his super disc. Another guy messaged me on the forum he wasn't overly excited about it either. Mountaineers in either caliber are obsolete. A super disc with a Lehigh conversion is equal if not better. To me it's better actually. Bring out a 1/20 in an Ultralite they won't stay on the shelves. Just plain facts Knight just didn't understand.