. i was useing a traditions 1x on my whites 50 today.i was shooting at 25 yards to get it on paper.using my 450 500s.w. paper patched bullets . i got it where i wanted it ,took one more shot before going out to a hundred and its four inches high.next one two inches high and left.i think the scope is toast must not like big bullets.think ill look at the vortex tomorrow