You don't have to explain traps or trapping to me, don't tell me a leg hold will not hurt a dog, I know better, if the dog fights the trap it will be hurt, and if a snare doesn't have a stop set correctly it will kill a dog. You may not care enough about your dog, if you have one to care if it gets hurt, I do. Don't try to blow smoke up my backside, I know what traps and snare can do, I have trapped and have been around trapping my whole life and there are trappers and there people wh set traps.