With my Vortex I have had superior results with the GT Lazer II's and 100gr. brass inserts for WF and usually use 100gr heads. Price is great on the GT's....I've only had one hit on a deer that were not a passthrough. And that was due to a bad shot and shoulder hit on my part. Though the deer was still recovered it took some vigilant tracking due to a poor almost non existent blood trail.