Sorry about leavin that part out. The rubs are facing up the hill. looks like what you said Loner i think he is bedding on that shelf on top. Maybe a good tactic would be to get halfway up the ridge between the top and bottom rub line a good hour before sunrise. My last question that should get me right for this weekend is how far do you guys follow a rub line before you find out where the bedding and feeding areas are. See i hunt in the mountains and its hard for me to pinpoint these things as it would be if i were somewhere else.