No fear Ron. I'll use a sabot for elk. Probably a Barnes 250gr T-EZ since Carlos has a good price on them. I'll use 100-110gr of BH now that I have the recoil manageable.

I have the muley buck tag for 2nd rifle season. That's Oct 17-25. I plan to get an OTC bull tag for another unit that's not too far from me. I have to go over a 13,000ft pass, so hopefully not too much snow, or they'll close the pass. My unit isn't OTC. The OTC elk unit will be very crowded. The plan is to hunt the first weekend in my unit for the buck. The first weekend in the OTC elk unit will be a zoo, and I know the hunters will be gone by Monday, or hanging out in camp, because they're worn out already. I'll hunt the elk unit Mon-Fri, or until I get an elk if I get lucky. Then if I didn't get a deer the first weekend i'll go back to my unit to hunt for deer the last weekend.

So, 4 days for deer, and 5 days for elk. I'll be worn out by then. So, I don't want to mess with two different loads for deer/elk. I could use a 338gr PB for both, but i'm a chicken, and want a more proven bullet. I know the Barnes will work.

I know it's a contradiction to this whole thread, but I don't want to lose an animal just to prove a point. I still feel the PB would work, but why shoot a 338gr bullet when I can get it done with a 250gr bullet? The PAST pad is going to work only so good.