If memory serves they were the 295gr Coppers with the aero tip. And he and I BOTH like high shoulder shots. If the bullet does it's job, it's a dead right there deer. He shot center shoulder on the first deer because he had a small window to shoot through. He had a perfect shot op. at the second high shoulder. I like perfect broadside double lung shot for archery, but with firearms, my absolute favorite shot is high shoulder. If you miss a tad low you still get both lungs and a fairly short tracking job. Miss a tad high and you are still busting spine. Miss a tad higher than that it's a relatively minor wound to a deer that won't cause a whole lot of suffering. Best of all worlds with a little meat loss. I'll take a pound or 2 of meat loss over a long trail or drag job any day. Getting too dern old to be dragging those beasties for miles.