Originally Posted by
Blackpowdersmoke
And they didn't always have soap and water available. Seems as though I read somewhere at some point in time, that the Mountain Men were prone to urinating down the barrels of their rifles as a crude form (if you will) of flushing them. Especially in the dead of winter when streams, rivers, and lakes were locked up with ice and procuring water by any means other than melting snow was difficult.
BPS
All you soap and water users for the past 20-30 years, shooting various conicals and sabot/bullets, should buy a real solvent and bore brush. Then you will be shocked / your mouth will drop, seeing what comes out of that barrel, when properly cleaned.
I've even seen instances where I asked the former ML owner how long ago he used bore butter, because some came out of his barrel that I recently cleaned -- from when he used bore butter 12-15 years ago. Yet he continued to use/fire, clean and store that ML every year after the switch to gun oil storage and continued to bathe it in soap and water.
Heck we even had a lesson this past week with a member here selling his gun and probably never knew the lands and grooves were stuffed with plastic from sabots.
Lesson is to use good products and proper techniques to remove what doesn't belong inside that bore. You don't pay $600 for the ML and 50 cents for the cleaner.
Again, I'm done here. Use whatever crap you want inside your bores. Wonderful iprovements and technology are out there. If you choose to ignore it, then prepare yourself for the new purchaser of your sold ML to inform you of what came out of the bore, when properly cleaned.