thanks, that makes more sense now. Didnt mean for it to come off the way it did but have seen some weird stuff since I moved to this part of the state. I took my deer to my buddy to process it and helped him hang another buck up, the guy that brought him in didnt even do anything around the butt area to remove anythign, stil had all that intact....weirdest thing I ever seen, he has been processing for 2 years in this area and said he sees alot of them like that. We both moved here from the same area as we worked and still work together at a new prison in this area.