That is terrible JW.. Here we had never had a fall turkey hunt in my zone.. This year they have opened it up for 1 bird of either sex.. My very first bird was a fall bird in a different zone I had scouted for archery hunting and ended up getting a hen with my bow.. I will never forget that day as it was very special to me.. Now with my zone opened up and the land I have with apple trees running one whole side of it I am planning on trying for one when they show up.. It will clearly be after October 2nd though and I am thinking closer to November.. I will be using my bow then for one again.. I was very surprised they had opened it up here this year after our harsh winter ..