Oh the outfitters are terrible. Sometimes I generalize so I'll point out that I realize there are some folks making a living doing what they love and doing it right so props to those people but greed is king. The big outfitters are a joke. I watch them from my stands. They put hunter after hunter after hunter in stand after stand after stand. Way over hunting. Immense pressure then when the bucks turn smart and nocturnal they think they are all dead......the dumb ones don't stand a chance.

I don't do anything special really. We have some clover planted and leave some crops but I mostly just let them do what they do.

The deer held tight until dark during the gun season. Like you mentioned I hunted and didn't see anything then I'd see 100 deer on my way home.

I killed a 168.5 inch buck in Adams county this year and a 10 point in pike.....I also botched an opportunity on a big boy in pike. I kill a 150-170 inch buck pretty much every year but its never easy and its never been easy.

I say if you think we need to shoot less deer then shoot less deer. We don't need the government to hold our hands. EHD sucks but its natural. It comes and it goes. Like you said a couple regular summers and its no problem but you just can't have outfitters putting hunters on every acre and think its going to be easy to get shots at big bucks in the day light. If there were more big bucks to sell outfitters would sell more big bucks.

Having mature bucks gallivanting around in the daylight and trucking hunters in by the thousands obviously has a shelf life.

I'm not really against outfitting but its out of control. Its one thing to outfit because its your passion and your actually giving people the hunts they pay for but man these guys are just money grabbing and ripping people off