This is the OP, I will not give up, I wish I could get groups like some here. What irks me was I had a gunsmith bed the stock, lap the barrel and do make sure the crown is correct on the Vanguard and I still can't get a decent 4-5 shot group. I can get decent 3 shot group one time and the next time out with the EXACT reloads it will not preform like it did the first time. It seems I always get a flyer after the 2nd or 3rd shot. I am shooting in MN in Feb/March and I let the barrel cool down between shots(doesn't take long in this weather) Going to try some new reloads next week and if that does not help rifle is going back to the smith.