I went out 3 weeks ago with a new rifle, Dad had a box of old federals that I used to get the rifle on the paper, first 25 yards then 50 yards then 100 yard. FOUR of the federals were duds, could not get them to fire! despite several attempts with each round, federals SUCK. When I switched to my reloads with CCI no problems. I remember when I worked as a temp groundskeeper at federal in Anoka MN in 1983 NONE of the employees that hunted deer would use there federal ammo and they got it almost for free, that tells you something.