Guys the OP here, some quick thoughts, Nomercy448, nice buck, wish I had one that big. Went to the range on Wed, cold as heck. Vanguard, shooting factory Hornady168g match,2.75@100yards. Factory Federal fusion150g, 1.5@ 100yards.Reloads- CFE223 with 150g Hornady interlocks, first 3 shots, .75 fourth shot brought group out to 1.25@100, pleasantly surprised with this powder,will expermint more with this. 165g Game kings with Win760 first 3 shots .75 fourth shot brought out group to 1.5@100. My reloads shot better than the factory. So I think I can get this gun to shoot, on this day I did shoot two nice 3 shot groups. With the Ruger I did get a 1inch 4 shoot group with 165g game kings with IMR3031. I will fine tune these loads until I can get the accuracy I want, not quite there yet but getting closer. Also just to get this I have shot many bullet,powder combos. I love to shoot, just wish I could get to the range more often. Thx for all the replies.