Originally Posted by
logancbeeman
this is why i only go to the range once a year
any shooting range is exactly like this thread
a load of bs that doesnt matter once youre in the forest
...A load of BS coming from a guy that shoots a big gun too, a lot more accurately than you.
.45-70 "big gun" fired 253yrds supported on a fence post. Double lung and heart, a lot better than pie pan accuracy, at a lot farther than 100yrds. In the "forest" no less, or at least as close as it gets to forest here in Flatlandia.
But then again, I'm not the one that took the ruler to the bathroom.
As far as "most accurate rifle" goes, the most accurate rifles aren't bought off of any shelf, they're built. That said, what you're describing, 2-3MOA groups aren't acceptable, especially considering how well so many of today's factory rifles do shoot, even with factory loads. I wouldn't expect that a factory rifle SHOULD shoot better than 1.5MOA, although many do, some much better. 2-3MOA is pretty rough though.
How did you do your load development for these rifles? What bullet weight and twist are you shooting?