Good post Big Uncle. Sadly, I see people at the range that are happy if they are on paper at 100 yards. I also see others that are shooting handloads and want maximum velocity from them, not accuracy loads. Listened to the 3 of them, and one fellow that had a 2900 fps load that shot well wasn't happy. He wanted his son to load all of them to 3100 fps. For me the 3100 load sucked, but he needed it. I love shooting off hand standing at 300 yards at the reactive targets, and a lot of them can't hit them at 100 yards. Minute of garbage can don't cut it. I don't feel like chasing something into the next county because of a bad hit. The game that you are chasing deserves better than that. I have also seen some wound an animal and "oh well, we'll find another one". They are slobs and I have no use for people like that at all.