I also can' t jusify the price of the Sabbots. I have shot many a deer with my 12 guage 870 with a rifled barrel and also my 20 guage 870. My 12 guage has harvested many deer at 100 yards ( it is scoped ). Just have to aim a little high. I found over the years in boths my 870' s that Remington slugs do not even come close to keeping a pattern like Federals. I just use the plain standerd Federal slugs. Nothing fancy .