Just took a shot at 40 yards with my Remington 870 SM with one of the new turkey loads from winchester... 3.5" #5's and I'll say right now there the best patterning lead turkey loads I have ever pattern out of my gun!!!

Got right at 20 hits in the vitals( skull/neck vertebra) on a Primos turkey target

This info might not be worth a crap to most of you guys because the pattern wasn't shot at a 10" circle... Sorry

But I'm sold!!! Just ordered another box